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I've just begun studying wicca, and this week have been meditating to the four corners at dawn, noon, twilight and midnight to familiarise myself with them. This morning, while dozing before going to meditate, I had, I guess, a sort of dream though I felt conscious through it. I saw a figure in white, with white clouds around its feet who spoke to me. It wasn't anything spectacular, just said to eat better, with more fresh fruit and less packaged food. It was something I was going to do anyway. I asked what more they wanted and they told me to go meditate since it was time. And indeed it was. My meditation wasn't any different than the other times I've done it, save for a quick flash of someone I would consider a guide who I trust telling me "Never trust a god unless it proves itself to you." Right after, I googled the name the white spirit had given me, "Arm of Abraham" And saw nothing named that but according to wikipedia, Samael, the angel of death was the one who had held back Abraham's arm. This all has gotten me a little concerned, and worried. I don't know what to do with this information, whether the dream was just my mind putting unrelated things together or whether I should be frightened because the angel that seems to be linked with quite a few scary things was talking to me in my sleep, even if it was about food. I apologise if this is a silly concern on my part, but being so new at all this, I was really unsure what to make of it. |
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Welcome (I'm new to paganism too)! I myself don't dream (see note*). But here are my thoughts and questions. First and foremost, always follow your intuition. If you keep a dream journal, or often meditate on your dreamings, consider both the intuitive information you felt Inside the dream, and the intuitive feelings you had immediately Afterward. Both count. You may feel perfectly comfortable in a dream while it's happening, and wake up scared. Or feel really scared, and wake up calm. Both levels of intuition count. These feelings tell you about your physical, and mental state while in and out of the dream. What was your mental state in/out of the dream? How did you feel about the information given to you by this new figure during and after the dream? My opinion about the advise you were given is to pay more attention - and give more respect - to the advise given by your Known and Trusted mentor/teacher/guide/source. Since you know and trust this person or entity, their opinion counts more at this point. In your dream world, you may be more easily influenced, and therefore quicker to trust than you would in real life. It sounds like you were reminded by your guide to treat any new spiritual contacts with a similar attitude as you would have towards any new mundane contact. When you first meet someone, you're not suspicious or scared of them, nor do you trust and obey everything they tell you.** I would consider this new presence with a "new acquaintance" respect. You have no reason to be suspicious, nor do you really know them yet. A vague Biblical reference and a general concern about you health does not equate to a soul connection, yet. Bottom-line, anyone who gives you their opinion or advise (including me) is only giving you additional information that, hopefully, can aid you in making Your Own decisions. Always. As for the information this new figure gave you... Okay. Good. But as you said, you already decided that for yourself. Was this just an unconscious fluke? Have you been having trouble with this decision (it was "on your mind")? As for the seemingly Biblical reference of this figure's name... Do you have Christian background? What have you been reading lately that might have influenced this? Does this reference mean something to you personally? Could a connection to that spirituality/tradition be potentially useful, alluring, familiar, scary, intimidating, challenging, etc. to you? Is there any other interpretation of that title you may have missed? Thank you for sharing you experiences. I hope any part of this was helpful. I cannot relate, but I can listen and try to help. Keep dreaming, keep learning, keep loving. -Natalie * I thought I should mention that I haven't experienced dreaming since I was a child. From my perspective, I don't dream at all - but of course we all do, I just don't store them in my memory. I go to sleep, and wake up. No information. So, I always feel really strange when people bring up their dreams, and kinda sorry for them when it comes to any trouble they cause. Of course, a larger part of me really wishes I could dream. I am envious you have your dreams as a tool for discovering more about yourself. I have little experience though, so you should know that this taints my perspective. I tend not to take dreams very seriously, and look at dream information through very objective eyes. Just so you know. ** I would advise against obeying anyone ever...except possibly under Very Clear circumstances. Even if a god/ess orders you to do something, I would still immediately rethink that relationship. Only consider obedience if you have a clear dedication to that god/ess's service, and it is understood and Agreed upon by the Both of you that you will be expected to perform certain tasks to mark your training or service. It must always be your choice. |
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Natalie, I first have to thank you for your reply. I after starting this thread and giving it some more thaought, I felt a little embarrased by reaching out for something that is relaitvely trivial. You treated my concern respectfully, and I reallly appreciate that. In response to you thinking points, I felt and still feel neutral about the whole thing. I've had little interest in angels and that aspect of christian mythology.Though I do come from a chistrian background it was certainly a lot less crowded than the beliefs in many angels doing many things. I haven't been reading anything on the subject either which is what concerned me the most. The last thing I read was a book about alchemy and Hermeticsim, with little talk about angels or anything of the sort that I dreamt about. I am glad to hear your opinions on this, since the experience of things talking to me, whether in dreams or meditation and visualisation is relatively new to me.I think the suggestion to rteat it, if it happens again as a 'new acquaintance' is a very good one, although the prospect of it happening again unnerves me slightly. I hope it was all just an unconscious fluke, perhaps to teach me this very lesson of challenging all assertions even personal, spiritually revealed ones. |
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My feeling is that you should never be afraid of your own mind. Even your unconscious mind. Your mind is precious, and it talks to you in many ways: unconsciously, subconsciously, consciously, and through your intuition and instincts. It is simply a dialog with yourself. After all, the divine is within as well as without. Even in my limited experience, I have truly come to believe that. It seems unlikely to me that anyone could get messages or information from beyond themselves - but that is possible, then you are already talking the right steps to examine that outside information. You are sharing your experiences and building a discussion, most importantly with yourself, as well as others to gain better perspective. Personally, I don't believe in angels. So if were in your shoes, I would be a little nervous too. But that is probably from my issues with, and divorce from, the Christian structure more than anything else. Even when I was a Christian, I never had a deep faith in angels. The concept of outside forces stepping in to situations to control the outcomes just never appealed to me as spiritual elements. But back to the point - I think that as a person who is discovering and opening up to new ideas and spiritual paths, you are naturally going to notice more spiritual things within and around you. Take note of them, build a repertoire of experiences if you will. Some may prove valuable, others confusing, some may even seem stupid. The great thing about being "new" to all this, is that everything is new. I myself often have absolutely no idea what experiences are "witchy" or not. Did I just have a spiritual experience? Should I put this in my BoS? Should I investigate further? My only gauge, is if it is something that interested me, something I was drawn to, makes me feel good, makes me wonder, prompts me to learn more or questions others, then it's an experience worth noting. As we grow, I'm sure our spiritual "receptors" and instincts will become more discerning and focused. Until then, to paraphrase the great Scott Cunningham: learn by doing, for if your efforts are infused with love, then you are perfectly safe, and let nature be your guide. xoxo Natalie |
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It sounds like a vey interesting experience!! I have a strong interest in angels and have heard stories that samael was the angel that indeed held back Abrahams arm. I have also heard stories of this angel appearing to people (despite religious beliefs) and giving advice to keep a person from dying before their time. I don't mean to frighten you but perhaps he appeared to you to tell you to eat better to avoid dying an early death and to take care of your body while your soul inhabits it. I would like to know what you discover about this experience  . |